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i'm poppy harlow. you're in "cnn newsroom." we begin this hour with the latest from the campaign trail. republican presidential candidate donald trump firing back after being disinvited from today's red state gathering of conservative activists in atlanta. the controversy began with a comment trump made last night to our very own don lemon about fox moderator megyn kelly. >> she came out there reading her little script and trying to you know be tough and be sharp, and when you meet her you realize she's not very tough and she's not very sharp. she's zippo. >> she did push you. pushed a lot of people. but what is it with you and megyn kelly? >> i just don't respect her as a journalist. i don't think she's very good. she's highly overrated. when i came out there, what am i doing? i'm not getting paid for this. i go out there and they start saying lift up your arm and you know i didn't know there would be 24 million people. if i knew it was going to be a big crowd, because i get big crowds i get big ratings, they

call me the ratings machine, so i have you know she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions and you know you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes blood coming out of her wherever. but she was in my opinion, she was off-base and by the way, not in my opinion, in the opinion of hundreds of thousands of people. the great mike wallace was a friend of mine. in fact, he interviewed me on "60 minutes." it was a phenomenal "60 minutes." he was great. there is a big difference between mike wallace and chris wallace because i watched him last night. blood pouring out of his eyes, too. >> joining me from the red state gathering in atlanta, mark preston, executive editor of cnn politics. we will get to that in a moment. a big shakeup in the last few hours within the trump camp.

>> reporter: yes. we have just learned from dana bash that roger stone, one of trump's senior advisors long-time friend has been fired. at least that is what the trump campaign is telling dana bash. they said that roger stone was using the campaign for his own personal publicity. now, stone has fired back himself. he said that that is wrong, that's incorrect, that he had resigned last night and he said the reason he did so is because all this current controversy has taken donald trump off of his core message. as donald trump is dealing with the fallout from what has happened here at red state, he's also having to deal with some internal campaign turmoil. poppy? >> joining me on set here at 6:00 eastern time will be roger stone for his first interview since leaving the trump camp. you want to stay with us for that. of course donald trump if you're watching you are welcome to join us as well for that discussion. i want to ask you about the reaction to trump not being where you are. a lot of people were looking forward to him being there, wanted to talk to him, and others a lot of supporters of

trump are very upset that late last night, erick erickson said you're not welcome here anymore. >> reporter: no doubt about that. there were people who were upset about that. in fact there was one woman we spoke to here who had driven down from indianapolis who was very upset about that as well. let's hear what she has to say. >> all right. i apologize. we don't have that sound. if you could paraphrase for us what she did say. >> reporter: sure. sure. it's such a fast-moving story today. what we learned from her is that she was very upset that trump wasn't invited. she said in fact trump's words were misinterpreted they have been misconstrued and the fact of the matter is she said she's not a trump supporter but trump is talking about issues that matter and putting issues on the front table. she said that donald trump should have been here today to speak to red state. >> one of the interesting things

there is sort of the difference in reaction from some of the other gop contenders. you have jeb bush on stage there saying trump should apologize, period for that comment about megyn kelly to don lemon. you have ted cruz asked repeatedly today what he makes of it and he refuses to criticize donald trump. >> reporter: yeah. we have seen this from ted cruz certainly over the past few months. ted cruz has been very careful about his criticism of donald trump. when john mccain, when donald trump was critical of john mccain in iowa a few weeks ago, said john mccain was not a war hero because he was a p.o.w. ted cruz was very careful in his criticism of trump. some would say ted cruz is trying to appease the trump supporters and perhaps if trump were to drop out of the race, then ted cruz would perhaps get some of that support for his candidacy. >> mark preston reporting for us thank you very much. bring us the latest developments as they happen. things are moving very quickly there today. we want to talk more about this

and donald trump taking to twitter, trying to clarify what he meant in his comments in that interview with don lemon last night about megyn kelly. joining me to talk about it morehouse college professor, mark lamont hill and radio host and cnn political commentator, ben ferguson. marc let me begin with you and your tweet. you tweeted this. there is a difference between political correctness and basic decency. >> look i don't want to police what people say. i don't want to police people's speech. but sometimes now, the language of political correctness allows us to say hey, i didn't do anything wrong, people are just being p.c. i wasn't being offensive, i was just telling the truth. donald trump takes it a step beyond truth-telling and begins to assault people when he compares people to animals, when he says he wants to see people like rosie o'donnell on their knees. and when he talks about megyn kelly bleeding. even if we took the most generous interpretation possible i didn't which is she was bleeding from her eyes and nose and i don't believe that at all, he's still

trying to minimize her and attack her as opposed to dealing with core issues. >> ben, i had jeffrey lord on last hour a trump supporter. he worked in the reagan white house and said come on now, journalists can take it. megyn kelly is not asking for an apology so why is anyone else. he said we can't and shouldn't interpret what donald trump meant when he said she was bleeding from wherever. do you agree with him? >> look donald trump, it was blatantly obvious he was making a remark a sexist remark based on her being a woman or hormonal or whatever you want to call it. when you do something like this it's real simple. you apologize. but this is what i have been warning other conservatives about from day one with donald trump jumping into this. he doesn't know what he's going to say. he doesn't know how to control himself. this is a narcissistic individual that will say anything to insult someone if he is challenged. and that is not a type of person

that you want to be in charge of our military in charge of education, in charge of finance, in charge of the united states of america, because if you disagree with donald trump, look at his campaign manager who is coming on your show in about an hour. if you disagree with donald trump one time he will fire you. that is the worst type of leadership that you can possibly have and donald trump is not only a sexist and narcissist but he also is out of control and that is exactly why i have been saying from the very beginning donald trump may be entertaining he may be loud but he is not someone i would trust with the united states of america in any capacity. >> here's a key question mark. that is whether or not voters see him as one and one if you will or part and party of the republican party. i had a guest on last hour the republican strategist who said not worried because no one sees him as part of our party, this party. do you agree with that?

is he being seen as totally separate? >> no. i don't think he's being seen as totally separate at all. i think voters are smart, democratic and republican voters are smart enough to know the republican party offers more than donald trump. if we saw anything on thursday night, it was that there are a range of types of republicans that you can be. i happen to disagree with all of them but there are different ways to be conservative, different ways to be a member of the gop. so i don't think trump is seen as the whole thing. but when trump makes comments about immigrants about megyn kelly, about all sorts of people and you see people like ted cruz not respond with critique you see other people take a hands-off approach because they are being self-interested, when you see that it makes people say that everyone in the republican party may not be racist or sexist but a whole bunch of them don't mind those comments to be made. that makes voters uncomfortable. it won't stop republicans from coming out to the polls but it may stop voters who are on the fence from voting republican in the general election. it may stop certain voters who are unmotivated to come out and

lastly there are people who are looking for an alternative to hillary clinton. there are plenty of folks who don't like or trust the clintons but if the alternative is a party that seems unwilling to speak out against injustice they will go with hillary clinton. >> let me say this. look donald trump is not the republican party. if you want proof of it look at the very first question from the debate. he was the only person that said i may not be a republican in 60 days or 90 days or 120 days. i also this is what i have been saying to other conservatives since the very beginning. donald trump is an opportunist who saw a bigger opportunity as a republican at the moment than he did as a democrat at the moment. but donald trump has no problem being a democrat if it's convenient. the same way he has no problem as he discussed the other night basically bribing people to get what he wants at that moment. he will give money to any democrat or republican if that moment in time serves his interest best. that is a very scary individual.

>> thank you both. stay with me. lot more to talk about ahead. again, tomorrow morning, donald trump will be a guest on cnn's "state of the union with jake tapper" 9:00 a.m. eastern. you don't want to miss that. we saw his back and forth with megyn kelly and you know lot of folks in the gop are saying this is the last thing that we need as democrats, trying to paint them as a party bad for women. the party trying to win the women's vote in 2016. can they afford trump as a nominee? a new season brings a new look. a chance to try something different. this summer, challenge your preconceptions and experience a cadillac for yourself. ♪ the 2015 cadillac srx. lease this from around $339 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing.

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donald trump's remarks about fox news host and debate moderator megyn kelly has set the political world on fire. this morning's organizers of the red state gathering in atlanta yanked their invitation to trump to the event who was set to

speak there later tonight. he is now criticizing the red state leader erick erickson for being a quote, total loser. let's talk about this. ben ferguson and marc lamont hill are back. even before today, polls have showed trump struggles to attract women voters nationally in some of the key early voting states 37% of republican women say they would not vote for him. ben, a majority of women have voted democrat in the general election since 1992. it's been since 1988 that you have seen the republican nominee win the women's vote. can they afford having trump saying things on stage in the debate like he did and with don lemon last night, or do people see him as not so tied to the party? >> i think people who look at donald trump as actually the brand donald trump, not as a republican because let's be honest he hasn't been a republican for very long. i think people will look at him specifically as he starts to implode. we are seeing that right now.

they are going to look at him and judge him for who he is because remember, he also is playing this victim card of the media's against me megyn kelly's against me everybody that doesn't like me is agains me and if they don't like me i'm going to call them incompetent or stupid or a moron or idiot or really dumb or a bimbo or whatever he wants to say. so i really am not concerned about it brangdding the republican party because all the other republicans on stage, none of them like donald trump either. it's pretty clear they're just trying to figure out how to deal with him. i think, look he's imploding as we watch this and i think he thinks you know what i don't care if i insult women, i don't care if i insult hispanics, i don't care if i insult immigrants. he obviously doesn't care who he insults and at some point you run out of people that are going to like you. >> marc gloria borger wrote a fascinating column on cnn.com about this this week and she wrote this in part. she wrote quote, it is not that

it's a premeditated war on women as the democratic party apparatus likes to dub it. it's more of a head scratching did you just say that process of flubs that slowly seeps into the ether. big picture, what does this do to the race? >> well it does a few things. one, i would resist that critique by the way. i think that the notion of the war on women is as much about what people say as it is what people do in terms of public policy around reproductive rights and equal pay at work. there are a range of issues that help us prosecute a war on women. that's on the left and the right. none of us do a good enough job with women in terms of equal rights and justice. when donald trump makes these comments the rest of the party has to respond. some people are above the fray. the scott walkers and certainly jeb bushes of the world don't want to deal with trump at all because they want to look presidential. the people on the fringes, huckabee and rand paul to some extent and certainly, the ted cruzes of the world don't want to critique trump because they figure trump will flame out and they want his base.

so what ultimately happens is you have a bunch of people who for strategic self-interested reasons aren't going to criticize donald trump which means that female voters are looking at this saying hey, wait a minute there's not enough people rebuking trump. >> i disagree. i think they don't want to be brought into the jerry springer show of donald trump. why would you want to get into a twitter war with donald trump and get into you know, the pigstiepigs pigstie with him on these issues? there's another part of this which is really important as this plays out. you don't want to make donald trump absolutely hate you in case you get the nomination because donald trump is narcissistic enough that he may say you know what i'm not going to win the presidency but i'm going to make sure you don't either because i hate you. so i will run as a third party candidate. there is part of that being brought into this as well. >> wow, ben. >> maybe that's why -- >> what a profile of courage. >> -- we're not seeing ted cruz criticizing him. i want to get your reaction to

this. south carolina governor nikki haley said something interesting this week. this is someone who has been looked at increasingly by people as a potential running mate in the republican party. she said people in elected office need to listen. let's roll it. >> standing in someone else's shoes on any policy situation and talking to them not as if you're lecturing them on what should happen but talking to them as if you hear them and understand that makes the difference. we all need to listen more. >> ben, to you first, she says don't lecture, put yourself in others' shoes, listen. we as a party need to do that. what's your reaction to her? >> i agree with her on what she's saying there. certainly she was listening when they took the flag down in her state, the confederate flag and i think she obviously is certainly looking at that from a perspective of okay we really do need to listen to people when they're outraged. i also think one of the reasons why trump has connected is he is

speaking for many people that feel like washington has not been listening to them or fighting for them. you got to find a balance. you can't just be dr. phil always nodding your head and then all of a sudden just recapping what others say. you have to have a leadership role and be bold and show a plan and be courageous in that way. and at the same time you do have to be able to listen but look like a strong leader. it's a tough line to follow but being the president, you've got to lead. >> marc final thought? is anyone doing that well in the party? >> in the republican party, there are people yeah i think rand paul is listening to certain pockets. i think chris christie has listened to certain pockets. i think everyone on the republican side has listened to certain pockets. the key is not just listen to the people who are your natural base but to go beyond that. i think hillary clinton has modeled it well as much as being criticized for not talking enough she's doing the most radical thing possible deep engaged listening to people around the country. she's listening to voters. that's a powerful thing. >> she doesn't take many questions. i'll tell you that much. i don't know if that's

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tomorrow marks one year since the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown in ferguson, missouri. >> don't shoot! >> hands off! >> don't shoot! >> there you see michael brown senior his father leading the march of about 200 people to the spot where his son died after that altercation with police officer darren wilson. despite the passage of time and key leadership changes, the stiff city of ferguson still has a long way to go. sara sidner spoke with the new chief of police. >> i just hope we have peace. we don't need this. no one needs this. it's not just the police officers i'm concerned b i'm concerned about everyone. >> reporter: this is the man

leading the most scrutinized police department in america right now. the ferguson missouri police department. the city where an explosion of anger against police tactics erupted a year ago when officer darren wilson killed unarmed teenager michael brown after the two scuffled at the police vehicle. when you were looking from afar at what was happening here in ferguson one year ago, what was your take on all that was going on here in ferguson? >> it bothered me. it really did. >> reporter: what was it that bothered you? what disturbed you? >> to see that divide that was evident in this community. that's what bothered me. it just didn't feel like we should be this way in america. but i understand that there are differences and i wanted to be part of making a change. >> reporter: that change coming in big part after the streets of ferguson looked more like a war

zone than small city america. >> look out! >> reporter: protesters took to the streets for more than 100 days straight with sometimes violent outbursts. their persistence influencing the department of justice to investigate. the investigation cleared officer darren wilson in the shooting but issued a damning report on the department as a whole, saying it helped create the racial tensions by unfairly targeting, searching and ticketing black people to help fill the city's coffers. what happens if your bosses the city manager, comes to you and says we need you to generate more money, we need you to ticket more people. what do you say? >> i won't do that. >> reporter: you will just say no? >> i will. and they won't do that, either. i've had conversations about the new leadership. i didn't sign up as a police officer to go out and write tickets to generate funds. that is not our job. >> reporter: this year a new law has been passed to stop missouri cities from using their police

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tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of the death of michael brown in ferguson missouri. he was the 18-year-old shot and killed by ferguson police officer darren wilson. confrontation between brown who was african-american and wilson who is white, sparked days weeks, months of protests on the streets of ferguson and around this nation. the justice department later cleared wilson of any wrongdoing. also a grand jury doing the same. but faulted the department the

police department there in ferguson for a pattern of discrimination. let's talk about race in america one year after the first protest in ferguson with cnn commentators ben ferguson and marc lamont hill. guys a very fascinating study just came out and part of the key findings here half the country, 50%, consider racism a big problem. that is up from 33% who thought so in 2010. that includes nearly three-quarters of african-americans, 58% of hispanics and 44% of whites. there is also a big jump in republicans who hold this view. 41% of republicans now saying they consider racism a big problem. five years ago, 17% of republicans felt that way. so marc to you first. one year after michael brown was shot and killed and the ensuing protests across this country, what do you make of these numbers? >> i'm excited by them. i'm encouraged by them. there's nothing good about living in a country where people deny the existence of race and racism. some people see this as a sad turn. i see it as a positive turn.

raceism as has always existed. it didn't start last year. with all the spotlight placed on state violence against people we see the conversation with celebrities who slip out and say racist things from the paula deens to the hulk hogans of the world. people say hey, wait a minute in their private homes sometimes they say things we don't expect in public. there have been a stream of factors that have made people say race and racism matters. if republicans see it democrats see it blacks and whites see it we have a chance of actually repairing the damage that has been done and dismantling white supremacy. >> ben, what do you think and make of the shift in opinion? >> look i think some of it is positive. i think people are seeing that there are things we can do to be more transparent, especially the police. i think one of the great things that's come out of all this is the fact there seems to be a lot of individuals on both sides of the political spectrum that are very much in favor of body cameras for police officers not just dashboard cameras. i think that would help things.

i also think you're seeing citizens that are taking it upon themselves to take their phones and use them for good to tell the story of what's happening in front of them and in their communities. i also think there are some cautionary tales here which is we still have to learn that not everything sometimes is what we want it to be to push our viewpoint. darren wilson the police officer, is a great example of that. he was not indicted even after there was an investigation. he was not in the wrong even though people were saying hands up don't shoot. we need to be careful before we jump on narratives that in fact were not reality that actually make things very bad for a lot of people in that community and a lot of people were up there saying hands up don't shoot, saying he was a murderer didn't live in that community, didn't have to deal with the backlash and destruction of that community. that's also part of what we learn. sometimes we have to be careful before we jump to convict police officers that sometimes are just doing their job. >> does ben have a point? >> no.

first of all, i don't think that anyone was jumpin to convict darren wilson. they were jumping to get him investigated get him charged and get him into a trial which is something we rarely see. not as if there's this whole string of police officers who are convicted or misconvicted for killing people. police officers rarely get even convicted or charged, rather much less convicted for the killing of people and even less often for the killing of black people. even if i were to concede that darren wilson did nothing wrong and i don't believe that he did nothing wrong, in the justice report if you read it carefully, it doesn't say that either. if i were to concede that point, ferguson was a racist town before darren wilson met michael brown. >> that doesn't mean he's a racist. that's the point i'm making. >> i don't know what's in darren wilson's head. i know when i look at that "new yorker" piece that came out a week ago from his own mouth, i hear things that are quite racist. that isn't my point. my point is that we shouldn't reduce racism to individual actors. i don't care whether an individual person is racist as much as i care about the power

that they were unable to wield over people and the power that systems are able to unwield over people. ferguson is a racist town. ferguson has a racist justice system. that's why we are headed there tomorrow. i will be there tomorrow to protest that to talk about that because that's the issue. not an individual darren wilson or tragic death of michael brown. >> a lot more people talking about it either way you look at it clearly reflected in the study numbers. ben, marc thank you. stay with me. we will have a lightning round with you guys on politics. this really extraordinary gop primary race. moderate to severe crohn's disease is tough but i've managed. except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis.

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time for a lightning round of politics. we will sound off on everything we will be talking about between now and september 16th or at least we will try to get to everything when these candidates take the stage for another cnn gop primary debate. mark the calendar september 16th right here on cnn. ben ferguson marc lamont hill back with me. no more than 30 seconds each for your answers. ben, who needs to give up and get out of this race? >> donald trump. i would love for him to end it today, tomorrow the next day, because it has become a joke. although now i'm not going to lie, i'm kind of enjoying watching him implode. it's going to be a very fun explosion to watch happen. >> marc? >> george pataki. know why? because half the audience right now is saying who's george pataki? there's no reason for him to be

in the race. >> he was the first one to call out donald trump. >> of course he was. because he has nothing to lose. the problem is there are a bunch of candidates in the republican field who are vying for spots not only on the ticket but for tv shows, vying for book tours, for opportunities to raise their speaking fees with bases. for me that undermines the spirit of this. everybody has a right to be in the race but if i'm somebody like pataki i bail out now and go back to whatever i was doing. >> ben, who did the most on thursday in the gop debate to improve their chances? who was the shining light? >> i'll give you two. marco rubio and chris christie. i think chris christie has somehow become an underdog. i think a lot of people that like donald trump and his bluntness are really going to take to chris christie. i also think marco rubio was a little bit underrated. people thought he was kind of not going to be able to handle being in the shadow of jeb bush. i think now it's the other way around. i think jeb bush is worried about marco rubio. i think he did an excellent job

during the debate. i think he is showing that this guy's a real contender for the white house. >> marc? >> i wish i could watch the tv at ben's house. he must have had it closed captioned by somebody else. maybe team rubio did it. if you look at the 9:00 debates it was governor kasich of ohio. he did everything to look sensible reasonable principled. he gave a great answer on gay marriage one that i don't agree with ultimately but still -- >> he showed compassion. >> it was compassionate. again, it's a tough field but he seemed the most reasonable. i think he has a shot. >> ben, who is the best candidate who will not get the nomination? >> probably ben carson. i think he's an incredibly smart, mild-mannered individual. i think that he's someone that can obviously bring something to the table on a lot of issues but i just don't know if he has that x factor.

he's so calm so cool so collected. however, i said this after the debate the other night. i think he's my number one choice for the vice presidency right now because he is a guy that can actually bring a different perspective, not a political perspective, to the white house. >> marc to you? >> the x factor. only if x is like you know knowledge of politics or experience. he has absolutely no qualification to be president. every day citizens can be president in america. i'm not begrudging him that. he looked out of place up there, didn't have his words together wasn't coherent. he's a brilliant man. he just doesn't seem to know anything about being president. that's a bad thing. same issue i have with donald trump, with a few folks. the best person who will not be president? again, i think it goes back to kasich again. i think that he has executive experience he knows the job, he's in a crucial swing state. he's not brilliant but he knows the issues. i like him. >> your time's up.

ben, who should have been on the main stage, the 9:00 debate but was not? >> i think definitely the former -- the only woman in the gop side that's in this. she did a fabulous job in that early debate. i think you are going to see her on the debate stage next time around. i think you will see a lot of people. she has been going viral online. a lot what have she said was put out there and people kept retweeting it and connecting to it. putting it on facebook. there was a lot of buzz about her as a candidate. i think she is probably the one you have to say she had a great early debate and now will probably be on the big stage next time. >> marc who should have been on the main stage? >> ben got one right. carly fiorina. it's shameful that ten people are onstage, not one woman makes the cut. that's a problem. i respect democracy. i'm just saying it looks bad. fiorina gave good answers, she was strong and smart, she's certainly capable. i don't know if she's

presidential material like i don't know if the other ten are presidential material. i would like to see her on the stage. she showed she deserves a spot reserved for a guy named ben carson. >> a couple weeks ago you said donald trump will not be here with us in this primary october 24th. you sticking with that date? >> i am. because here's why. one, because there's no -- if i'm wrong i'm already wrong so i might as well ride it out george bush style. also because i think voters will give up on donald trump at some point. the gop has thrown him under the bus. by september, he will plummet. by october he will leave. by the end of october he will give some brilliant reason why he no longer is in the gop primary. doesn't mean he won't be an independent later on. >> ben? you agree? >> i think there's a good chance he's right. i hope he's right because hey, maybe by then donald trump could be a democrat and he will be marc lamont hill's and hillary clinton's problem which i would love to hand over to you, buddy. it would be so great to see him

and hillary onstage with bernie sanders. that is what my true dream is for you. >> come on ben. daydream about something more exciting than politics. >> keeping the 30-second box here. >> all right, gentlemen. appreciate you sticking the time. thank you for being with me. ben ferguson, marc lamont hill. tonight on this show you will hear from donald trump's top political advisor, a friend of trump for 35 years, a man who guided him to the top spot in the polls and a man who is now out of a job, roger stone says he quit the campaign. trump says he fired roger stone. roger stone will join me tonight, 6:00 p.m. eastern right here. we'll be right back. i brought in some protein to get us moving. i'm new ensure active high protein.

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education. not for students but for teachers as teachers get ready for the school year a lot of kids probably heading back to school pretty soon. teachers will spend $1.6 billion across this country of their own money for back-to-school supplies for their students. that is nearly $500 for each teacher out of pocket. just a reminder of how much we expect of our teachers and frankly, how much they give. that is just one sacrifice teachers make. salary for a lot of teachers is another. between 1999 and 2013 the average salary of a teacher dipped 1.3% to $56,383 a year. that's on average. even taking inflation into account, teachers working 14 years ago made more than teachers today. that is making it harder and harder to recruit the best of the best to teach our children. a few weeks ago i asked education secretary arne duncan about this. he admitted this is a problem. >> no one goes into education to become a millionaire. they want to help. you shouldn't have to take a vow of poverty, either.

you have places that are doing different things. denver has done interesting things with their teachers contract where great teachers can be mentor teachers and give more. it's sort of respecting teachers as leaders and empowering them. that's a great way to both attract and retain. >> danny koske joins me now, author of "how to survive and perhaps thrive on a teacher's salary." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me on. >> you heard what secretary duncan told me about empowering teachers but is the fact that teachers are just going to have to keep accepting lower salaries despite the importance of their job, because every single family that i talk to that is struggling with poverty, living in poverty, trying to get out, tells me the answer is education. shouldn't these be the people we are paying the most to? >> as a former teacher and have a wife that's a teacher, absolutely. but i think a lot of times with the economic picture we had furlough days a few years ago. my county in georgia while i was

teaching we had ten furlough days. sometimes there's little things that are kind of out of our control as teachers and just new schools and when the economy takes a nosedive, it affects our salaries. i know here in georgia, it seems like a lot of things were on the uprise in many counties so hopefully the paychecks will start going up in years to come. >> i want you to listen to what republican presidential candidate chris christie of new jersey said last weekend in an interview with jake tapper on "state of the union." >> during your first term of governor you were fond of saying you could treat bullies in one of two ways. you could sidle up to them or punch them in the face. at the national level who deserves a punch in the face? >> oh, the national teachers union. who has already endorsed hillary clinton 16 17 months before the election. >> why? >> because they're not for education for our children. they're for greater membership,

greater benefits, greater pay for their members. and they are the single most destructive force in public education in america. i have been saying that since 2009. i have got the scars to show it. but i'm never going to stop saying it because they never change their stripes. >> does he have a point? even if you don't fully agree with him, does he have a point about the union as it stands now? >> i think in some areas, yes. some of us have read the horror stories especially in the northeast of some of the teacher unions protecting really really bad teachers. here in georgia, we are a right to work state so we have a little union presence but it's not as powerful as the one in the northeast. yes, there are like with anything there is a minority of the teaching profession that probably shouldn't be in it. but those are the ones that we hear about. the majority of teachers are good teachers they get into the profession first and foremost because they have a passion and want to make a difference in the world. there's not many teachers that i talk to that say i want to get into it so i can have all these children and i have to do all this paperwork now and do all

the tests. >> let me ask you this. you left the profession. would you have stayed for a higher salary? what would it have taken? >> i have a passion with personal finance, too, and helping people manage their money so actually now in my new role i get to go to schools and talk to teachers about saving money. so i'm kind of still a teacher, just in a different format. so i think following your passions is why people get into teaching. i'm still a teacher in a way. it's hard to say. i didn't leave and i didn't get into it for the money. so i probably would be where i am right now but a larger salary would definitely help. >> seems like you have no question that raising teachers' salaries would recruit even more. >> well of course. if you're going into college and you say if i start off, i'm going to make this amount if i go into the private world, if i'm a teacher i'm going to make this amount a lot of people say i'm going to start off where i'm going to make more money, especially now with how many college graduates have student loan debt and have to pay it back. >> thank you for all of our teachers, thank you all.

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